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Post by Alatariel on Mar 14, 2021 13:37:03 GMT -6
I've been working on the third draft if my novel and I took a really long break at the end of 2020 because things got rocky mentally and emotionally. But I'm finally back to writing and I realized what makes this draft better, stronger, and more dynamic than my last one.
I'm allowing the characters to take the lead and inform the plot/situations. Yes there are some things I need to happen but how they get there is entirely a mystery until I write it. I feel like my last draft was forced because I focused more on where I needed the story to go instead of how here I need my characters to develop.
Frankly I'm shocked at how much of a difference this makes...but I'm MORE shocked that I wasn't always writing this way! I thought I was but I wasn't...
How do I know it's different now? I had to completely restructure my climax due to the characters yelling at me in my head. I kept desperately forcing them into the same box as my last draft but they refused to go because logically my male protagonist isn't an idiot who would just leave people in an unsafe situation. And one of my female characters wouldn't just sit around while the others bumbled the plan. And so on...
Now with every scene I'm writing, I'm also listening. I have a much clearer view of who my characters are and the choices they'd make. If a response feels wrong, I change it even if it means the plot goes a totally different direction than expected.
So what kind of stories do you write? Plot or character driven? I thought mine were character driven but I was wrong for so long...
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Post by ScienceGirl on Mar 14, 2021 22:29:55 GMT -6
Kudos!
I used to feel completely different about all this, too. It's fine to write however you want when you're just putting yourself out there on a smaller platform. However, the minute you start opening yourself up to Amazon and marketing and reviews, it all changes. Sign on with a publisher, and it definitely changes. The definition of a better story becomes "it will sell more books." They might ask for character-driven stories, but they'll have their editors fine-tune until you've churned out one of those commercial plot-driven recipes that "works."
So there are those of us who write for a hobby, and those who hope to write for a living. If you want to write for a living, you need Amazon reviews (sadly). You need to please acquisition editors and agents. A lot of famous writers follow a recipe. They say David Baldacci throws in a car chase in all of his stories to add 10,000 words and set up pacing for a good thriller-climax. Can you imagine that? Writing a car chase to just fill space?
I did this little experiment in 2017 with a goofy, lighthearted character-driven romance just to stretch myself. And I self-published it, because at this point, why not? It's Christian fiction, and a targeted audience.The ladies at my speaking engagements love it. I sell tons of copies at tables across America. Ha ha well, okay, not tons, but it does reasonably well. Bought me a new couch LOL.
However... online reviewers NAILED me for being too character-driven. I had mostly 4 and 5-stars, but the critical comments were things like "the story was too long" and even though they loved the zany characters and funny stories, they felt like pacing was off throughout. They said I rushed the ending and had a slow start. Some of the chapters dragged and could have been left out entirely.
Lesson learned. I couldn't sell that story to an agent or a publishing company unless I completely restructured it.
I don't think it's possible to write one without the other. There needs to be a balance. If you lean too far toward the plot-driven story, you end up with flat, boring characters who can only be sustained by the thrill of your action and mystery. If you lean too far toward the character-driven story, you have pieces that feel stretched or compressed and your pacing is off because you didn't write them into an engaging, antagonistic environment.
So I love how you put this. Writing is a fluid process, but it's more like swimming in intervals, not drifting along in the water hoping you find a good place. It's key that you had other drafts to work from because you could play around with arcs and reconnect your story at the important places. What's wrong with freewriting some along the way and let the characters visit a few different places? That can be the fun of the story. What you settle on at the end might be completely different, but you and the characters can have many adventures that are just between the two of you.
We punish ourselves because we want to get to "The End" so badly. And we want to write start to finish and it should just be good. No one really does that! Professional writers punish themselves even more because they have deadlines hanging over their heads. What fun is it to develop a completely amazing fictional entity and not really know them inside and out?
Glad you had a breakthrough!
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Post by yankoo on Mar 18, 2021 5:04:14 GMT -6
It's an interesting topic. And i like what ScienceGirl had to say about it. Ofc ideally it's a balance. And however much i love to follow characters, most readers are in it for the plot. The characters are more personal therefore one should be able to relate to the struggles of the characters in order to appreciate them. What i would like to achieve is to present the characters in more subtle/indirect ways -through the plot/conversation/thoughts- rather than more direct approaches. This way, whoever reads will either notice what you're trying to say about the characters or not. And if they don't, that's all fine and dandy, they have the awesome plot to follow. Right?
One more benefit of not focusing on the characters so much would be to allow the reader to relate to the character more? You know what i mean?
my humble novice's opinion
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Post by farida on Mar 18, 2021 5:18:14 GMT -6
Right now, I'll go for character-driven.
For the simple reason that I've just had a meeting with my publisher about my second novel, where the whole gist of the conversation was LESS PLOT, MORE CHARACTER!
I think it's easy to over-plot - to make a story needlessly complex, but you'd be hard-pressed to do that with characters. They are better the more complex they are. I also believe that great characters can carry a weak-ish plot, but even the best plot makes for boring reading if the characters are not up to scratch.
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Post by Alatariel on Mar 18, 2021 12:44:04 GMT -6
Right now, I'll go for character-driven. For the simple reason that I've just had a meeting with my publisher about my second novel, where the whole gist of the conversation was LESS PLOT, MORE CHARACTER! I think it's easy to over-plot - to make a story needlessly complex, but you'd be hard-pressed to do that with characters. They are better the more complex they are. I also believe that great characters can carry a weak-ish plot, but even the best plot makes for boring reading if the characters are not up to scratch. This hits home right now. My current project has a lot going on and I don't know how to cut it without feeling like it's suffering but I also want to focus on the characters more...but I'm hoping the first book will draw people in (fast paced action) and the second book is where I can dive deeper into each character and take more time. It is YA so I think that's a trend in this particular genre.
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