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Post by Octagon on Aug 7, 2024 8:07:33 GMT -6
I've encountered several problems while trying to learn to write in agreement with my goals. One is that I tend to use archaic language. Another is that, because I seldom practice, my verbal skills have weakened to the point where I can hardly write poetically anymore. Yet another is that many discourage complex writing and insist on aspiring writers writing simply.
The problem with this is that, although I do not consider myself to yet have written in a prose style sophisticated enough for my standards, I intend to stimulate the intellect of my audience, not only with respect to ideas, but with respect to their linguistic capacity. But nearly everyone who has given me feedback on my mediocre if not badly written sermon, has said that rather than the defective sound of it, which in my mind is a major problem, the error in its composition pertains to archaic usage, verbosity, and overly complex language.
In my mind, the main problem with my writing is none of these things, because by enough effort I likely can write without these defects, although it is convolution, and not complexity, that is a defect, the degree to which writing is complex or convoluted being a subjective matter. Rather, the problem with much of my writing, although not my sermon for the most part, is lack of clarity, which has nothing to do with complexity or occasional wordiness, lack of focus and structure, and lack of flow and rhythm.
Therefore, it is not complexity that is the problem, and my question is this: Why do people insist that every aspiring writer dumb down their language? Is not the mere statement that such has been done an insult to numerous readers?
I made very little effort at achieve flow in this post.
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Post by ScintillaMyntan on Aug 7, 2024 12:15:36 GMT -6
I also like more old-fashioned prose and have been criticized for trying to use it in my stories. Now I understand it a bit better.
When you use language in a way that's outside the norm, the reader thinks there must be a reason and tries to look for how that transgression can be meaningful in itself. That's how the Gricean maxims work. Your reader is going, "What did they mean by this?" They think you wrote your sermon in such style because you're trying to specifically evoke a preacher from centuries past, or maybe they even think you're trying to parody sermons. When they don't find such a reason to write like this, it feels out-of-place. It's like if someone wore a donkey costume to work; you would first ask yourself whether they're trying to make some kind of statement, or if they're on drugs or something, and lacking a reason, it just feels like an unnecessary excess.
I have resolved, thus, to only use archaic language when there's a reason: maybe my story is set in the past, or I'm writing something intended to evoke a genre where such language would fit, such as a fairy tale or a political speech.
You also have to consider your audience and the purpose of your writing. If your sermon is written for faithful, dedicated Christians who want a beautiful reminder of their faith, a more elevated and poetic style makes sense. On the other hand, as others have pointed out, such a style isn't going to win over unbelievers or people who aren't sure about their faith. Why? Because it makes church sound old-fashioned, like something that doesn't hake a place in modern life. It's not that they are too dumb to understand the prose. It's rather that archaic writing reinforces a preconception about religion in their minds that is contrary to your goal of inspiring people and calling them to your faith.
Another issue is that too-convoluted phrasing might be too hard to follow to read well. Even if you are being more flexible and poetic with word order, jumbling it up too thoroughly just makes it harder to follow logically and not more beautiful. There needs to be a logical order in arranging your ideas.
A guy in my fiction writing class in university, like me, liked trying to write in a more archaic style. The class gently teased him when one of his stories had a character attend university "for the study of computer science" instead of just "for computer science." The problem was that his somewhat more archaic phrasing seemed ill-fitting with something as modern as computers, and even if it wasn't, it's unnecessarily wordy. It's annoying because it takes longer to say or read without adding anything meaningful; if you say someone is going to university "for computer science," it's easily understood that they're studying it. Plus, this particular sentence in the story is just giving a mundane detail about a character; it does not need to be beautiful. More stylized prose makes more sense when writing an emotional passage.
Still, I don't want to see 19th-century styled prose die out or become too complex for people. I think it is beautiful. But there is a place for it, and I think the best we can do is try to extend its place in moderate and inoffensive ways.
Could you maybe post some a paragraph of text you find to be ideally written, and we can break down what is aesthetic about it and see what we can use from it?
For example, one small thing I've noticed about older prose is they place descriptive phrases differently. They might say, "I am day by day working on it" instead of "I am working on it day by day." And that placement of "day by day" is a subtle thing you can consider in your writing that doesn't stick out too badly, yet imparts some old-fashioned flair and gives you more options in how to structure your sentences.
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Post by Alatariel on Aug 7, 2024 21:20:21 GMT -6
I don't think "dumbing it down" would be the way I'd phrase it.
The point is: if your writing is so obscure and dense that it loses the meaning, then it's a pointless endeavor.
You can have beautiful writing AND preserve the meaning. What happened with your sermon was that the meaning was buried beneath meaningless prose.
Read Patrick Rothfuss. His writing is lyrical and beautiful, and it's also simple enough for the readers to understand the meaning. It's not painful to read. It's a joy.
Beautiful and yet you understand what it's trying to say without resorting to dense archaic language. And I definitely wouldn't call it dumbing it down.
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