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Humor
Mar 21, 2024 20:53:39 GMT -6
Post by ScintillaMyntan on Mar 21, 2024 20:53:39 GMT -6
Do you ever write comedy, or incorporate humor into non-comedies? Do you do it on purpose when a story seems to need lightening, or does it just sort of happen spontaneously? I spoke to a comedy novelist once who said it's actually easier for him to write funny dialogue than regular dialogue. When do you think it works in a story?
I recently did a synopsis for my novel. Before I read that you shouldn't include side characters, I had written a paragraph summarizing three side characters and actually laughed out loud, even though when drafting my novel I only intended one of them to have a mildly humorous quirk. But they all sounded pretty silly when summarized. And then I wondered if I had to go all-in and make these people intentionally humorous to avoid making them just laughable. Once someone called my writing "unintentional satire," ouch. If people see my writing as a joke, should I just defend against them by making it an actual joke!? On a happier note, I do enjoy funny moments in stories and wish I was better at coming up with them on command when a story could use a light moment — or writing an entirely comedic story — instead of just accidentally thinking of mildly humorous things to throw in from time to time.
I mention this a lot, but in the literary criticism of Njal's Saga I read, the scholar (Einar Ol. Sveinsson) was praising the artistic decision to have a silly event shortly after the main huge tragedy. It worked so well there. It's like healing for the characters, and as the critic points out, it actually helps show that the protagonist of that part of the story isn't driven by the same vices that cause the earlier problems.
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Humor
Mar 23, 2024 1:01:46 GMT -6
Post by saintofm on Mar 23, 2024 1:01:46 GMT -6
Yep. Sometimes intentionally, sometimes not.
I think part of it is human condition. Even Shindler's list had moments that you were meant to laugh and giggle at, and it is literally Shindler's List! Same with the good Alien films.
Like most things needs to be handled right. It can come at the wrong moment if it comes from a character, as people do this all the time (my foot is still welded inside my mouth alot of the time). People that often work in dangerous situations such as law enforcement, military, firefighter, and so on develop a bit of black humor. Double points if it comes out of a smart ass.
It also depends on the mood you are trying to set. A little levity can add some relief to a situation. However even more humor heavy shows like Brooklyn 99 know when to pull back to let a serious moment sink in.
Some peices of media that have used it well that migth be worth checking out:
1. M*A*S*H* 2. Disney's Gargoyles 3. Avitar: The Last Airbender 4. Die Hard 5. Jurassic Park (the movie) 6. Hellboy (staring Ron Perlman) 7.
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Humor
Mar 23, 2024 11:12:08 GMT -6
Post by RAVENEYE on Mar 23, 2024 11:12:08 GMT -6
I usually regret any "humor" I intentionally write into a story. When I read it later, it usually is just cheesy, not genuinely funny or whitty. Horrifying thing is that I had a reviewer say the same thing and called sections "cheesy." And I about died. So I don't think I'll be attempting purposeful comedy in future work. It's not my forte anyway, in real life, so why would I attempt it in my fiction? Just a bad judgment call on my part. There's a reason there's a saying "Humor doesn't translate."
My sister has been reading the Miss Fortune series by Jana DeLeon, which she says is hilarious. I really need to pick up a copy of one just to see how humor in writing works successfully, b/c the whole thing baffles me.
And as far as movies go, jeez, I love Hellboy, but talk about cheesy. *shudder*
The best actual witty humor I've come across in movies is in the early films of the Avengers franchise (brilliant writing, IMO) until we reach the third Thor movie, which is a fucking disaster.
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Humor
Mar 25, 2024 16:03:36 GMT -6
Post by Caulder Melhaire on Mar 25, 2024 16:03:36 GMT -6
Oh God, this made me go dig out that old comedic fantasy story I was working on once upon a time, and yeesh. There's some good stuff in there, but it's painfully obvious where I was trying to cram in the jokes. Don't understand how Terry Pratchett does it, consistently knocking out laugh after quip after witticism, 'cause when I try to match the pacing, it all just feels forced and trite. For me, the worst part of trying to write a full comedy is that it ends up being based off of jokes and humor that I or my close groups of people would appreciate and not what would maybe appeal to a general audience.
I can handle it in smaller doses, in dialogue. Anytime there's an extended downtime with my characters, one of them will make a quip, regardless of the tone. I think because that's how I end up commiserate, so it feels natural to come up with a way for a character to break the tension, or at least try.
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Humor
Apr 3, 2024 0:29:56 GMT -6
Post by HDSimplicityy on Apr 3, 2024 0:29:56 GMT -6
I usually regret any "humor" I intentionally write into a story. When I read it later, it usually is just cheesy, not genuinely funny or whitty. Horrifying thing is that I had a reviewer say the same thing and called sections "cheesy." And I about died. So I don't think I'll be attempting purposeful comedy in future work. It's not my forte anyway, in real life, so why would I attempt it in my fiction? Just a bad judgment call on my part. There's a reason there's a saying "Humor doesn't translate." My sister has been reading the Miss Fortune series by Jana DeLeon, which she says is hilarious. I really need to pick up a copy of one just to see how humor in writing works successfully, b/c the whole thing baffles me. And as far as movies go, jeez, I love Hellboy, but talk about cheesy. *shudder* The best actual witty humor I've come across in movies is in the early films of the Avengers franchise (brilliant writing, IMO) until we reach the third Thor movie, which is a fucking disaster. You didn't like Thor Ragnarok?? Aww thats my favorite by far. I thought it was funny. I thought you meant #2, which was garbage.
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Apr 3, 2024 0:33:00 GMT -6
Post by HDSimplicityy on Apr 3, 2024 0:33:00 GMT -6
I like to write humor into too many places. I need to read more funny sci fi to learn how to properly integrate it. No, its not one of my natural personality traits.
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Humor
Apr 10, 2024 9:34:23 GMT -6
Post by RAVENEYE on Apr 10, 2024 9:34:23 GMT -6
I usually regret any "humor" I intentionally write into a story. When I read it later, it usually is just cheesy, not genuinely funny or whitty. Horrifying thing is that I had a reviewer say the same thing and called sections "cheesy." And I about died. So I don't think I'll be attempting purposeful comedy in future work. It's not my forte anyway, in real life, so why would I attempt it in my fiction? Just a bad judgment call on my part. There's a reason there's a saying "Humor doesn't translate." My sister has been reading the Miss Fortune series by Jana DeLeon, which she says is hilarious. I really need to pick up a copy of one just to see how humor in writing works successfully, b/c the whole thing baffles me. And as far as movies go, jeez, I love Hellboy, but talk about cheesy. *shudder* The best actual witty humor I've come across in movies is in the early films of the Avengers franchise (brilliant writing, IMO) until we reach the third Thor movie, which is a fucking disaster. You didn't like Thor Ragnarok?? Aww thats my favorite by far. I thought it was funny. I thought you meant #2, which was garbage. Bahahaha! #2 is my fave. Dark as hell with humor alongside. And cheesy villains. So great.
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Humor
Apr 10, 2024 19:58:40 GMT -6
Post by Sundrinker on Apr 10, 2024 19:58:40 GMT -6
I consider myself a decently funny guy so here's my take.
For the purpose of this post, I will discount all those people who are able to sit down and actually write jokes, if they do exist, because that certainly is a gift I personally do not possess.
I believe humor, essentially, is a question of one's attitude. Are you a serious person? Are you able to laugh at yourself or your mistakes? Can you take some distance from said mistakes or do they make you upset? Are the things you write to precious to you to be able to take a jab or two at them? Your attitude towards the world, yourself and your writing are all things that will influence your ability to be funny to start with. If you're the type to take yourself, and things you do too seriously, then you're starting with a disadvantage.
So the first step would be to, well, work on your attitude. We all have the ability to be silly or funny, we just have to try to tap into it. One suggestion that comes to mind is that when something dumb, absurd or whatever comes up in a conversation, try leaning into it. Don't correct or clamp up or whatever your default reaction is; try leaning into the idiocy.
An example that comes to mind is a particular clip of Pipkin Pippa. One of her chatters sent a message stating they were sad because they were going to their meds and that'll make her disappear. The bunny VTuber extraordinaire just went with it and answered: "Noooo, don't take your meds. I don't want to disappear!", followed by her squeegee-sounding laughter.
The second thing is the following: if you're trying to write humor, then you've already failed at it. I find that humor is a spontaneous kind of thing. It's unfortunately not something you can force, but it's something you have to let come up naturally. I know this probably sounds unhelpful, but not entirely. You can at least avoid the fatal mistake of trying to be funny. It never works. Even for myself, my least funny moments are when I try to make a joke.
Thirdly, something I find very helpful is brainstorming with someone else or in a group. That way it gives others the ability to make those little in-the-moment connections that you might not make and vice-versa. So if you really have to a make joke in a scene for whatever reason, try workshopping it with someone else.
Lastly, I guess you could look at comedic devices, but those are more about how you deliver your content. If your material isn't funny to begin with, it won't help.
Oh, actually here's my actual last thing to say: your jokes won't always be funny. You have to sift through the dirt to find gold.
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Humor
Apr 25, 2024 22:49:59 GMT -6
Post by HDSimplicityy on Apr 25, 2024 22:49:59 GMT -6
You didn't like Thor Ragnarok?? Aww thats my favorite by far. I thought it was funny. I thought you meant #2, which was garbage. Bahahaha! #2 is my fave. Dark as hell with humor alongside. And cheesy villains. So great. Oh I misread that. Yeah Thor Love and Thunder was awful. Not even Christian Bale and Chris Hemsworth's acting could save it.
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